Nadhim Zahawi says 30 hours is a ‘success story’ amidst funding concerns


Children’s minister Nadhim Zahawi has dismissed concerns about the 30 hours funding to MPs in Parliament.

Mr Zahawi was replying to a parliamentary question asked by Labour MP for Liverpool, Dan Carden, who spoke about research which was published last month by the National Day Nurseries Association. The charity’s annual survey showed that nurseries in England providing the 30 hours have a funding deficit of over £2,000 per child per year.

Mr Carden said, “That means that nurseries are struggling financially; a skills shortage as workers quit the sector; and fewer nurseries for parents to send their children to, or more nurseries with under-qualified staff. When will the minister conduct an honest review of the chaos that he has caused across the sector?”

Mr Zahawi replied, “Thirty hours is a success story. The summer numbers are 340,000 children aged three and four benefiting from 30 hours a week free childcare. For those parents taking advantage of that, that is a £5,000 saving a year. We are conducting a review to look at the economics of the model, as we have done in the past, when we raised the hourly rate from £4.65 to £5. It is a huge success story, and clearly the Hon. Gentleman is running scared.”

The Department for Education has revealed figures showing that three-quarters of local authorities pay less than £5 an hour per child for three- and four-year-old funding. It was also found that nearly a third of local authorities pay the lowest amount at £4.30.

MP Tracy Brabin pointed out that the NDNA report had also found that a third of nurseries are having to limit the funded places they offer and a third of nurseries are being paid late for the work they do. She said, “To support our childcare providers, will the minister tell us how many local authorities will see a real-terms funding increase in the next academic year?”

Mr Zahawi replied, “The Hon. Lady rightly speaks about the important research by the NDNA. Our own research demonstrates that 80 per cent of providers are willing and able to offer places, and one third have actually increased their places.”

Chief executive of the NDNA, Purnima Tanuku commented on this, saying: “We are deeply concerned that the minister is brushing off the genuine, widespread concerns about 30 hours from the sector.

“Mr Zahawi calls this a success story for parents – but it’s disastrous for nurseries. In ignoring our evidence about the growing shortfalls in funding and refusing to review the recommendations made by the Treasury Select Committee, we may be heading for more nursery closures which will further limit childcare choices for parents.

“Like the minister says, 80 per cent of providers are delivering funded places – but only by limiting the number of places for two-, three- and four-year-olds. 

“Nurseries would be willing to offer even more places if the funding was sufficient.  The minister claims to have raised the hourly rate to £5. But according to figures released by the DfE for 2018/19, 73 per cent of local authorities pay less than £5 per hour and 31 per cent pay the lowest rate of £4.30. 

“Many members tell us they have no choice but to offer this otherwise they would lose their two- year- olds to settings that did offer additional hours to make sure parents could secure 30 hours when their child turned three years of age. Offering more 30-hour places that their business model can cope with will in turn cause business failure due to the huge losses nurseries are incurring.  The average annual shortfall in funding per child is £2,166. They are hindered if they do and hindered if they don’t! 

“This policy is seriously undermining the Government’s social mobility agenda, as well as the policy drive for parental choice.  If the Minister continues this line, there won’t be a choice for parents as there will be fewer nurseries to deliver the 30-hour promise!”


5 thoughts on “Nadhim Zahawi says 30 hours is a ‘success story’ amidst funding concerns

  • July 2, 2018 at 8:32 pm

    That is where you are wrong have you considered charity based settings please could you all view the YouTube clip champagne nurseries lemonade funding it will explain the true picture as your information and views are misinformed sadly I hope you will have more empathy for the army of practitioners looking after our future on low wages with no bright future due to government restrictions

  • July 2, 2018 at 2:37 pm

    Not only will it be nurseries and existing staff that lose out when we all go bust, but probably this Conservative government if they continue one after another to follow the Liz Truss blinkered view of the world. When are they going to listen or is it a case of everybody else must be wrong if they don’t agree with them? Also what is this ‘minimum’ of £4.30 per hour? Our LA (North Somerset) pays us £3-85!

    Please tell me what else I can do.

    • July 2, 2018 at 4:37 pm

      I am really concerned that Mr. Zahawi is not taking heed that nurseries are closing due to not being able to pay their bills, give staff a decent wage for what they have to do within the nursery and keeping up with paying pension contribution. Where is Mr Zahawi getting his information about minimum funding rate, our LA is only giving us £4.25 per hour and we had to fight for that amount!

  • July 2, 2018 at 1:28 pm

    It is a success – parents are really benefiting from it! The nurseries really must stop talking about losses every year. If they were making a loss on each child, they would not be in business! One of the biggest problems is the business rates, and that is down to the councils. We are not the only businesses suffering.
    Childminders need to be seen for the professionals they are. They could easily take up more funded hours and again how can they be losing out. If they do have 3 children at the lowest figure, that is over £12 per hour. If they want to earn more out in the workplace – with all the expenses – travel, clothes, food that would entail, then they have that choice. BUT! Of course most childminders start because they have their own children. Home based work gives them the opportunity to be with their own children and they also have no childcare fees themselves. You can’t have it always!
    They are all a business and most businesses worry about getting paid. At least childcare settings know the money will be there. As a business they need to manage their cash flow. Of course it is always good to know our own childcare Minister is up to date with funding rates, which he obviously isn’t so is probably a bit unknowing about many other aspects of our industry also, which again is another problem with our government. Hey, he is probably counting on moving on soon anyway (everyone else has), so why should be worry?
    However, please can we concentrate on something far more important – such as, what we are giving these children for the money we are receiving!

  • July 2, 2018 at 12:38 pm

    I am concerned that the Chief Executive of the NDNA appears not to know that many local authorities are paying below £4.30 an hour, which is certainly not the lowest rate by a mile. Mr Zahawi has buried his head in the sand along with all his previous colleagues responsible for Early Years. When will he understand that the 30 hours are only being offered at a cost to providers and parents, who rightly expected to get them absolutely free.


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